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Post by Akito on Jan 6, 2009 21:34:08 GMT -5
Quite frankly, I dislike the new abilities rule vehemently. You've successfully made the abilities portion that much more of a complex process than necessary. 'Weak', 'moderate' and 'strong' are UTTERLY subjective terms. I doubt you'll be able to fairly mod this.
It limits the type of characters that can be created now. Yep. We all have to start as newbies, or people who just really suck. No experienced veteran or age old sorcerer, no.
Also, I'd like to hear how you plan on enforcing the rule to already approved characters. I see what you're trying to do, but I don't think this is the way to do it. You ought just stick with contests for roleplay plots that involve character development
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Post by prythian on Jan 6, 2009 21:37:12 GMT -5
'Grandfather clause', Akito. It wouldn't apply to already accepted characters, except when they buy new abilities.
As for it being subjective... well, everything's subjective in one way or another. This is no different, especially with the fact that abilities were getting accepted really powerful already. This just means that for people that don't want to fight, if someone decides to invade an open thread and fight them, it's a little more balanced.
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Post by Iris|Kairi on Jan 6, 2009 21:41:05 GMT -5
You wasted no time getting this up. Thanks.
Grandfather clause.
There are no more forum plots.
Can't everyone just lower their new character to lvl 1 character like in a game? Or is that too much to ask that this forum stop being so dang battle oriented?
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Post by Wilder~Light on Jan 6, 2009 21:43:18 GMT -5
I'd like to chip into this as well.
I could make an ability that produces a 3 inch tall fireball, weak right?
Until I catch your clothes or house on fire, burning you to death.
Any ability will kill people, no matter how "weak".
People are going to be invaded whether you like it or not, they're going to be forced to fight. If they don't like to fight in the FIRST PLACE, then why does making your enemy weaker matter? Your still going to be forced into fighting when you don't want to.
We had a solution for this in the original FM:
[NF] = No Fighting
Put that in your title, pretty easy, no?
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Post by Iris|Kairi on Jan 6, 2009 21:48:24 GMT -5
This is the third or fourth time I've heard this. I know.
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Post by Akito on Jan 6, 2009 22:08:21 GMT -5
I forget what the Grandfather rule is; something about past characters remain untouched, yeah? That's just discouraged me from making any new characters.
You're right, Pryth, everything is subjective and difficult to judge. This has only magnified that issue. Before it was a simple matter of "Is the power inescapable and deadly?" and "Is the power g-modding?" Now it has to be weighed up on theoretical values of strength.
You're welcome.
Look, I understand you're working hard. But nothing's going to be 'cool' with everyone. There will be differences in opinion.
And yet?
You're trying to make the forum less battle orientated. Okay. What's...changing the level in which fighting occurs going to do? So is weakening everyone so nobody really feels like fighting really the right way?
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Post by prythian on Jan 6, 2009 22:12:13 GMT -5
It's not making it so that nobody feels like fighting, I wouldn't think. If they do, they place too much value on strength.
It DOES stop people from going 'hmm let's see how powerful I can make someone's abilities and get away with it' and focus on exactly how to USE the abilities instead. It's honestly a lot more fun to RP fight with skill than just hammering away at people.
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Post by kempff on Jan 6, 2009 22:17:48 GMT -5
Jiminy Christ! How did I not see this earlier?!
First was this ability rule a collaboration of the G-mods and admin?
Honestly this thread isn't focusing on enough, the entire profile that we all now MUST work with should be under question. I'm without words honestly...if you're going to make these changes please make members aware of it and let them put their opinions in. Active or not.
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Post by Akito on Jan 6, 2009 22:20:04 GMT -5
^ No kidding. I'm still in the middle of a profile that looks never to be finished now.
Assuming strong abilities are used without skill and only to 'hammer away at people'? Heh. This rebuts itself.
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Post by prythian on Jan 6, 2009 22:22:56 GMT -5
Nonsense. Anyone that can use a strong ability skillfully should be able to do the same to a weak one; however, people that CAN'T just make the most powerful abilities they can and hammer away. Therefore, it shouldn't hinder those that don't rely entirely on power.
But, if I keep going on, I'm going to explode, and that will be nasty, so I'm not going to continue.
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Post by Shane {Naminé} on Jan 6, 2009 22:23:15 GMT -5
People shouldn't have to put [NF] into their titles just to avoid fighting. If ind that quite sad when a board is reduced to that.
All the same, I agree with Iris on this. I mean I don't see why people can't just take a step or two back from the fighting aspect of the site for a while anyways.
As far as the system is concerned, why not take it a step back and experiment with it before launching a full out complaint about it? XD I've always found it easier to at least experiment with something. Give it a few weeks to get used properly and along the way allow changes as need be. Then after you've fully used it, then create a complaint or a suggestion as to how it could be improved.
I for one will probably not use it, so it won't matter to me because I'm not as battle oriented as everyone else, but it may be interesting to see how it plays out.
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Post by Wilder~Light on Jan 6, 2009 22:26:19 GMT -5
I would like to point out how brilliant this was btw:
"It limits the type of characters that can be created now. Yep. We all have to start as newbies, or people who just really suck. No experienced veteran or age old sorcerer, no."
This means that all our characters have to be just starting out in everything. You can't create characters that have been in any fights before, that have spent years working and learning new things, perfecting arts and abilities. No, everyone just started yesterday.
As to being against the [NF] thing, honestly, that is the simplest way to make people happy. It is the ONLY way short of closing threads to prevent people from fighting in threads, and people don't like closing threads because that makes making friends even harder, right? [NF] is the easiest way to go.
Someone with skill can beat anyone with power, that is the way RPing has been since day one, that's the way its meant to be, and if a power is SO incredibly strong that Skill can't beat it, then the power should never have been approved in the first place. That IS the reason why their on limitations on abilities in the first place, right?
If people don't want to fight, they don't have to, they can avoid fighters, leave threads that have fights, or close their threads to prevent enemies from entering. If that's too extreme, then my [NF] statement is completely possible, and easy, to edit into the rules if you'd like to take that even simpler approach.
People who want to fight are going to, people who don't want to won't, the two are going to meet, the two are going to argue, this new ability rule isn't going to change that, it isn't going to discourage fighting anymore than having only 1 ability would.
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Post by kempff on Jan 6, 2009 22:29:56 GMT -5
Unless there is a public outcry and the forum literally stops working (inactivity is not this) because people continuously complain because of aforementioned problem concerning abilities, that is your personal opinion. Personal opinion does not justify a forum change.
Not a videogame and personal opinion again. Ironic I type those two however, we often emulate the game's pre-disposal to violence instead of creating our own stories.
You wouldn't think? How often do you fight in RP? How often do others? Personal opinion warrants nothing. Please do not pair fighting with strength, misconceptions are not needed.
Your personal opinion again...do you see this trend? You assume this is some kind of pandemic that is KILLING ALL RP EVEREWARE!!!! and there is nothing that says this is so. Sure we see characters that look like FF cut-outs, but what can you expect from a forum themed for KH? Are we going to emulate the game itself? Doing that is not an easy task and it will give the admin a ton of something they don't need: work, observation, work, and they will have to be very active.
Unless a majority of members actually believe super strong characters with abuse-able abilities are the worst of problems that could be posed against this forum instead of lazy members, school work, stupid drama, why the hell change this and make it that much more complicated?
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Post by Akito on Jan 6, 2009 22:35:03 GMT -5
On the same line of logic; having to put in [Closed] to avoid unwanted intrusion is also sad!
I'm not sure if you've noticed, but KH and FF is pretty damn combat heavy. Though I don't even recall there being many cases of people barging in on threads and starting fights out of the blue. At least, not in distaste. Fighting has really more or less been kept with those who want to fight.
Wilder more or less has everything covered. So I'll hold my peace for now.
EDIT: And so has Kempff, apparently.
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Post by Renewed Gemini on Jan 6, 2009 22:45:17 GMT -5
As I said before, Kingdom Hearts was created on a basis of insane abilities and epic battles. If you cannot comply to these needs then you really can't call this a Kingdom Hearts Roleplay Forum. So I'm more than willing to support this...if you change the WHOLE THEME of the site.
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I did post in shades of grey if anyone even remembers that lmao