The Circus is Coming to Town

[lysander]

Oh, alright.

[Heroic Bilby]

Actually the World That Never Was is in the Realm of Darkness, not the Realm of Nothingness.

( At least, that's what everybody else seems to say about it. I always thought the makers of KH said that Traverse Town, Twilight Town, the World That Never Was were all in the realm between Light and Darkness. Doesn't Ansem say that in his secret reports? )

There is nothing in the Realm of Nothingness. No worlds. No cities and castles. No beings save those who enter it from another realm and face the risk of becoming nothing themselves. Just endless expanses of nothing.

The whole "gives Nobodies power" idea might not work out though.

[donald2]

PM Tempest about it.

[Heroic Bilby]

Is that your way of saying you like the "protecting the door to the Realm of Nothingness" idea?

[donald2]

Yes.

[xxx]

Just wait, where did it say that Nobodies only existed for around a decade? If hearts were being swallowed since the time when darkness came around, like in Kairi's gramma's story, then there would have to be Nobodies since then, too..

Also, I don't see any point in protecting the door to a stupid Realm that has nothing interesting about it. How's it supposed to make Nobodies 'all-powerful'? We don't even know if that's true, all we know is that you need to remember your past to survive there [like DiZ did] or else you become nothing.

If anything, I'm guessing that that's the place where 'dead/fading away' Nobodies go, and then they 'become' nothingness [one with the Realm] because they become so non-existent [like, let's say Demyx is defeated by Sora and he disappears, he ends up in the Realm and eventually fades away completely because he's too weak to survive the horror of the Realm]. I dunno, this is just what I'm guessing based on my own knowledge and what I've seen...feel free to oppose it all.

If anything, that Realm is a serious pot of death/oblivion. Hence why there's NOTHING there and no 'existence' whatsoever. Duh! [Because if this is true, and it is, then how could even Nobodies survive there? Literally nothing can survive there, otherwise there would be something of interest there by now..]

So...remind me how it's all mighty and awesome again?

You know, it could be like some sort of weapon, seeing as it has the capability to make everything that exists into oblivion and nothingness. That could be a reason to protect it..although it would be weird for our 'circus' o.o

[Heroic Bilby]

Yes I agree. I already threw out the Nobodies with super powers thing. Or at least passed it off as some random attachment that came along with the original. lol

I say Nobodies have only been around for a decade or so because that's the best estimate we have for how long the Heartless have been around. We don't know how many years was between Xehanort's experiments that created them and the fall of Radiant Garden that spread them across the universe, after all. It could have been years more, or it could have not. There's a chance the Heartless existed before the experiments as a minor, much smaller threat... but if that's so then I don't imagine that the even rarer Nobodies would have much of a presence at all, if any.

I am actually under the current impression that Xemnas was the first Nobody, if not just the first humanoid one. Its a matter that intrigues me but I find little raw data to research about it. BUUUUUUT that's got nothing to do with our circus so I'd prefer not to discuss here any more. lol

Now I don't know about "mighty and awesome" but whoever controlled the Door to Nothing could cast people inside it as a torturous prison/death sentence. DiZ survived only by the bare chance that he was able to remember his past and avoid becoming nothing. Obviously its mobile if it moves around with our circus, meaning that in the hands of a power-mad fiend they could bring it to wherever their competition was, somehow trick or force them inside if they could not be defeated or killed by them in a fair battle, and then just let the Realm of Nothingness finish them off. A pretty potent force worth fighting for, I'd imagine.

Other than that, no I do not plan on saying yet that this IS what we're going to be protecting or hiding in the circus. It was merely something grown out of one of the few ideas I was presented with, and now I'm seeing how people like it or not before deciding anything.

If you do not like it then that's perfectly fine. Is there any other type of suggestion you might have in its place that we could consider? I welcome all ideas and we're still quite early in the planning.

[xxx]

Yeah; the 'torture' thing that you mentioned about the Realm is what I meant about having a weapon. Thus, the circus could have lots of power, although I don't see how this would fit in with the circus' goals itself...I mean come on, we're meant to entertain, right? Unless the entertainment is all fake and our true reason of being a part of the org is to protect the Door to Nothingness/the door to the torture place/the door that would bring us power...

I do like it, but it's kind of weird seeing as we're a circus. Then again, like I said before, the entertainment could be 'fake', something to divert the suspicions of others that they might have of us (maybe suspicions that have to do with the Door to Nothingness... I mean, we can be creative in the sense that it would be difficult to cover up the door or something.)

[Heroic Bilby]

Not exactly fake. We all wanna be rich and famous for our talents still. XD

The circus would have been around for a decent while. It serves sort of like... "Where would you LEAST expect to look for something really dangerous?". lol. Wether that dangerous thing ends up being the Door to Nothingness or something else altogether, either way what we're hiding isn't something we actually want to use ourselves we're just protecting it. Also, not everyone in the circus might actually know about the secret and so the circus itself is quite real. You could say the original guardians got sick of just hiding and guarding so they decided to have the best of both worlds: Live their dreams of fame and fortune and stardom while also keeping the door hidden away.

Greed. The mother of so many decisions. XD

[donald2]

I say go for it.

[xxx]

Well, what's the main reason we're hiding it, then? Why hide such a valuable thing in the first place? Is it for evil, greedy purposes (blackmail to gain money and such) or is it because it could be the key to something amazing (??)

And also, have you come to a decision of what exactly we're hiding?

[Heroic Bilby]

There's nothing for me to "decide" on really if I only have one suggestion to work with.

The reason would be because its dangerous and we don't want anyone to get hurt by it, unless somebody has a different suggestion. Like I said, I am welcoming all input on all the different details. I'm not going to be trying to decide anything on my own unless I get nothing to work with on parts.

[Shinn]

Jun 20, 2008 17:01:54 GMT -5 Heroic Bilby said:

Actually the World That Never Was is in the Realm of Darkness, not the Realm of Nothingness.

( At least, that's what everybody else seems to say about it. I always thought the makers of KH said that Traverse Town, Twilight Town, the World That Never Was were all in the realm between Light and Darkness. Doesn't Ansem say that in his secret reports? )

There is nothing in the Realm of Nothingness. No worlds. No cities and castles. No beings save those who enter it from another realm and face the risk of becoming nothing themselves. Just endless expanses of nothing.

The whole "gives Nobodies power" idea might not work out though.

I have always thought that as well that it was another world that rested in the In Between Realm much like Twilight and Traverse Town.

But as I read Ansems reports I saw that there really is no need for a door to Nothingness since Ansem was able to leave using the power of darkness and create a corridor of darkness Xehanort must have done the same when he banished him into the realm of Nothingness.

[xxx]

Following that, maybe we could have something more interesting than a door...

I dunno. Some things seem too far-fetched. There needs to be more creativity, also...I mean, the Realm and Door business...it's a 'been there, done that' scenario.

And Bilby: Well, you pretty much are the leader and I don't see many founders sprouting up, so you're the base of all the main decisions here, or at least the one who agrees and disagrees

[Shinn]

We could always do what the game did have either a Secret Ansem Report or perhaps a torn page.