Abusing the System or 'Getting Creative'

[Akito]

First, has anyone ever thought of the combination of being a Summoner whose summon is a 'transformation' of himself? Now, suppose that were so and one has multiple summons as well as the Equip 'Dog Whistle' (Instant Summons, yes?).

How broken would a character be who could switch Summon to Summon Form, each with their own respective healths remember, and distinct abilities responding to each situation? Expensive perhaps such a character would be.

My question today though is two fold. First, has anyone else come up with something creative with the character creation system?

On the side, my second question to all you mods, namely Hero, is that if a Supreme Weapon, which has the possibility of one Strong ability, one Moderate and three weak (with conversion), can simplified to having Two Strong and One Moderate abilities?

[angelous]

Akito, I was honestly thinking about making an OC summoner whose summons were just transformed versions of himself. Didn't have exact details worked out, but was thinking about it.

My creativeness with the character creation system was back on version one. I did a character with two different personalities. One was human, the other, wasn't. His form changed when the demon (for lack of a better term) took over, and all his stats and abilities were better than when he was human. One of the mods at the time and I worked all the details out before I posted it, so it got through okay. I had the character deleted after a week or two though because he wasn't as sweet as I thought he'd be.

[Beaver Dude]

That's too broken for my taste. XD

I considered the tamer class class though - if you get an S class monster (which I'm not entirely sure, but do think is possible given the wording of the rules) for free, make it an 'armor symbiont' or something along those lines and give your character double health and two moderate abilities.

I'm fairly certain it'd be approved because the tamer class is such a WEAK class to start off with (don't anyone argue with me on this one. It's true, you know it's true, let's leave it at that) that doing that would really be the only viable way to have it semi-effective. Even at that, I'd use the abilities as either passive speed enhancements or passive health enhancements. XD

But, eh, in the end I hadn't the faintest clue what to do with that character concept so I trashed it. Maybe later.

[nascent]

It's creative, yes... but it's also a rather imbalanced. Summons that double as weapons or armor I can deal with, but transformations as Summons is, I think, I bit cheap.

Regarding your Supreme Weapon idea... you'll have to talk to someone with more experience in that field than me. Sorry. Maybe send a PM to Northie?

[Dante]

All of this talk about summons and minions being able to be armor and whatnot... makes me think of Guyver The Bioboosted Armor. XD Anywho... What about an S class minion that is actually a time bomb? I mean, it's strong as it is and it can be larger than a full grown human, right? If you can weaken your opponent with the remaining abilities from your S class, then, when it's killed, it explodes in an array of deadly sharpnel!

Actually... the same goes with the other minions. What if you created a Tamer? You could make an S class minion and have an open spot for something that relates to the S class. Maybe the other class minions could all be transformed? If so, they could be like clay. The S class, who is an expert at quick sculpting, could sculpt these minions into different items! Bombs, even. Very dastardly and clever, no?

[Homac]

Sooooo, the S ranked minion is Deidara?

[nascent]

Very observant about the self-destruct, Dante. In fact, I thought the exact same thing when making Cordell's minions. If you'll check her profile you'll see that the Air Pirates have a handy little move called Kamikaze. Thus, not only are self-destructing minions/summons a possibility, they are in fact a reality.

ARR!

[Akito]

I'm actually patiently waiting for a Hero.

Transformation is a double edged sword. You forfeit the advantage of 2v1 but protect the more fragile Summoner. Just having a single Summon that's a transformation would not be a problem. But yes, it is broken if used with multiple Summons and the Dog Whistle.

[Heroic Bilby]

First: No. A summon is a separate being, not a transformation of the character. That would be an ability. You could, however, make a summon that your character is inside of. Like one of those mech things that are popular in Japan ala Gundam. The difference being that the summoner would still be technically vulnerable while the summon is out and can be reached/harmed, it may just be made difficult to do so. They would still have to be vulnerable to a point judged as fair by a moderator though.

Second: You want we should drop the element and status slots off of upgraded weapons?

[Akito]

Ah, that does limit the prospects of transformation a great deal, you know? But the difference you sanctioned is pretty negligible battle-wise (You'd have to break through the Summon to reach the Summoner...which in essence just killing the damn thing), but significant story-wise (There goes Ortiga). I'd like to think that transformation for a summon would at least be possible if one had a corresponding ability as well.

Your call. My question is can multiple weak abilities combine to become a strong ability with regards to the weapon.

[Heroic Bilby]

That's why I said deemed fair. Completely unreachable unless the summon is first killed would probably not be fair. Depending on what it was made of... like paper. Or crackers.

I can't say anything abotu changing the stuff offered in the blacksmith. There's probably enough/too much in there as it is. =/ But "beta testing" these things is hard without a large testing base. Haha.

[Beaver Dude]

I realize that Vincent Valentine might actually exist, making this something of a moot point question but-

Wouldn't Vincent's 'transformations' (Galian Beast, Death Gigas, Hellmasker, Chaos) be more strongly flavored towards 'summons' rather than 'abilities'? I mean working out the mechanics of how each 'form' would have its own abilities would be kinda... erk, difficult. It'd be much easier making him a summoner. Clearly his health would be linked to his 'summons' but IMO, I think that if it's executed properly (a bit like how FFIV's summoners have their health linked to their summons, dead summon = dead summoner) we shouldn't just reject the notion out of hand...

Course, that'd make it incredibly cheap to make him really strong. But slap on a 'shared universal health bar' to all his summons would solve that problem rather nicely, I think?

[Heroic Bilby]

I'd just make each transformation a single ability myself. They'd just need to be strong or at least moderate to gain their unique traits but none of them had more than 1 or 2 unique moves anyway.