The problem with Xion...(SPOILERS)

[angelous]

I hate to barge in and tell ya guys to shut up, but I shall.

Shut up.

I'm working on a plot thing that covers this whole problem. Give me time and it shall be done.

[prythian]

*cough* Well, I'm just going to correct one small thing.

The story fits together way to well for Xion to have been an add on to make the game better. And it would not have gone NEARLY the same way without her. The story is something that was planned from the beginning, as is evident from the secret trailer all the way back in KH1. So you're wrong about that, NS.

[Night Sky]

But isn't it up to whoever gets the canon Angelous? I commend you on trying to solve this problem but maybe they have their own explanation.

I still see her as something that isn't really important since she was there for about an hour then thy killed her off. That makes her minor canon worthy lol.

[prythian]

So, you deem someone crucial to the entire plot of one game, that explains a great deal about another game in the series, and influenced Roxas to LEAVE THE ORGANIZATION, albeit inadvertently, minor?

Wow, you've got a weird definition of minor. Xion is very much a major canon character. ><

[angelous]

Oct 8, 2009 19:22:57 GMT -5 Night Sky said:

But isn't it up to whoever gets the canon Angelous? I commend you on trying to solve this problem but maybe they have their own explanation.

Thing is I know someone who is already going to audition for Xion. And to be honest, I don't see why whoever would audition for her wouldn't think that my little plot is okay. After I get it done and someone gets Xion, I'll pm them the plot, and if they don't like it, they can make suggestions for changes and that. If they want to do their own thing, I'm fine with that. And if I have to start over, then I will.

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And watch it guys, I'm eyeballing this argument with Dei's eye. This is starting to get a bit outta hand. You wanna argue, do it over pm please. Although if I remember right Noruma or whatever his name is did say that Xion was important to the game.

[Night Sky]

Hey I'm not the only one who saw her as someone who was just meant for that one game. I'm just saying that I don't believe she was really needed at all to explain the gap from Chain of Memories to KH2. She just seemed like a rushed character that seemed important for that one game not the entire Kingdom Hearts storyline, you understand what I'm saying?

[prythian]

I get what you're saying.

I just got the impression throughout the entire game that this was something that was planned from the very beginning in how it played out; not someone just added in. The story that was told in that game was incredible, despite everyone thinking that the only reason to get it would be the multiplayer. >< So I get a little angry when people make the mistake of thinking the she wasn't important to the storyline as a whole.

[Beaver Dude]

Woah. Why did Ange steal my eye? I totally need it! For like, depth perception and peripheral vision and stuff. =O

[Night Sky]

lol It's no problem. I just saw her that way because she kinda reminded me of the Riku Replica, plus they made it so where no one remembered her or at least Roxas anyways. Everyone else just minded their own business or died XD.

[prythian]

Blame Namine for the 'no remembering' part. XD Though, like I said, Roxas would not have left the Organization when he did if it weren't for Xion, or, more correctly, Axel hiding the truth about Xion from him.

Pretty important thing, there.

[stray]

Angy: Chill dude. No one is flaming or insulting anyone. It's a debate, not an arguement. xD (Though I think you're crazy to write up a plot for someone, unless they ask you for it in the first place. You're also crazy to tell me to shut up. >xD)

I see it like this. Xion is a minor character... when it comes to the series. She's a major characater, if not a co-main character, in the latest game, but really, this game had no big impact on the series. It was merely filling in some gaps.

However, in a round about way, Xemnas helped lead to his own defeat with Xion. She might be a minor character when considering the whole story, but she did start some large waves.

Personally though, I don't like her. =p And I'm slightly tired of all this clone stuff.

I was under the impression though that no one remembers her because since she was cloned from memories. Namine had nothing to do with people forgetting about her. When Xion joined with Sora, her memory disappeared, so everyone forgot her. I think Roxas and Riku might be the only two to have fragmented memories of her.

Then again, I could be easily wrong since I'm just going by articles.

[prythian]

Well, the problem with that is that Xion shows up in the game before, canonically, the Organization sends a team to Castle Oblivion. Before that, there was no way to get their hands on Sora's memory.

And it is confirmed she is a product of the 'Replica' project, like Replica Riku. So there's really no way she's composed of Sora's memories, at least in the beginning. That leaves her to be based off of Roxas as a Replica, which is again confirmed by the story.

However, being based off of Roxas, she is intricately connected to Sora. And somehow this ended up with her stealing Sora's memories through Roxas.

Also, her face reflects memories related to Sora. An interesting fact about that is that Xigbar sees Ven when looking at her.

Her destruction allowed Namine to gather up the memories that she had stolen, and some of them most likely escaped in Roxas. However, I believe that because of how memories work in KH, what with the 'links' of memory and all that, all the memories that were formed by her and also those connected to her had to be taken as well, hidden inside Sora's heart. That's said at the end of the game.

Also, when Riku got hold of the Oblivion Keyblade at the Skyscraper fight, then he remembered Xion. It even shows he had a shocked look at the time. Roxas had a hard time remembering it at the time, but it shows the memories slowly fading from even them at that point after he was beaten.

I still don't see her as a minor character, since she created such large waves inside the story and is greatly relevant to it, which is how I define a major character, but she's a FORGOTTEN major character, which means by necessity she has to not be even mentioned once anywhere else, making her seem like she isn't major.

In all honesty, if you claim Xion is minor, you have to claim Roxas is minor. They have nigh-equal importance to the series.

[Heroic Bilby]

Actually this, in a retroactive way, might sort of help explain why Roxas rejoined the Organization on FM. He still had fragmented memories of Xion when he fought Riku, but after that they finished disappearing. Without remembering her Roxas might just forget exactly why he left anyway, and thus be more susceptible to joining again. ^^ Haha, I love over-thinking things. Don't mind me.

[angelous]

Shhh! Bilby! Don't tell them plot ideas I'm working on!

I mean uh....

Rocket's back.

[Night Sky]

Actually the Organization had memories of Sora before the team went to Castle Oblivion. From what I've been told, the encounter Xemnas had with Sora in the first Kingdom Hearts Final Mix was when they acquired his memories. Not all of them mind you, but he was able to take a look at them. I'm guessing that he used those memories as sort of a blueprint for Xion. The reason why she is soon forgotten by everyone is due to her being a being consisting of only memories, so Namine didn't play any role in that. If the Replica Project was better explained it would make more sense but it looks like her being is made up of Soras leaked memories and some elbow grease. ^^;